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Sigill 1998. 1. Can you tell us details about the history of ORDO EQUILIBRIO? Ordo Equilibrio originated in May of 1993. The inspiration and
objective to initiate an individual project concurred during my involvement
in Archon Satani, as Mikael Stavöstrand decided to form his side project
'Inanna' in 1991. Ordo Equilibrio's
primary purpose was to serve as the aesthetic and creative outlet for
a multitude of ideas, aesthetics, ambitions and ideals. Discography. 1995 'Reaping the fallen, The first harvest' CD. 1997 'The Triumph of Light.... and Thy Thirteen Shadows of Love' CD. 1997 'I4I' 7" Picture Disc. Limited to 1313 copies. Forthcoming in 1998 'Conquest, Love & Self Perseverance' CD. 2. You used the painting
'4 of wands' from the Crowley - Tarot on 'Reaping the fallen....' and
'The Triumph....'. I decided to use
the symbol of the '4 of wands' by means of its signification of Balance. This signification
is consequently amplified through the seal's various, binary significations
of Completion and Balance, which conform a variety of assertions representative
of Balance and Completion as part of Equilibrio. The symbol serves
as an ideal representation of Ordo Equilibrio and our philosophical, ideological
and spiritual conceptions and expositions. I believe Crowley
was an interesting individual. Crowley was an interesting
character and certainly something of a stereotype role model of the absolute
individualist. 'Every voluntary
sexual experience, is ultimately more positive and conferring, when utilized
as a sexual encounter, regardless of the outcome, than any intense and
compelling sexual fantasy, never utilized'. Which is furthermore possible to employ in any situation of ones individual desires, whether they are sexually related or not. My views on Tarot. I believe Crowley's tarot to be interesting and symbolically stimulating as I am able to relate to its very unique aesthetic imagery, and the symbolism he choose to utilize. 4. What has been
the inspiration for 'Lilith'? Are you fascinated by the goddess of the
same name? The inspiration to
'Walpurgisnacht in the Grotto. Dancing with Lilith' derived as a vision
of Lilith attending the celebrations of Walpurgis. I am symbolically
interested in Lilith as a character of profound, fundamental feminism,
in addition to her relation to Lucifer. Lilith signifies resistance, liberation and beauty, along with the profundity of female sexuality, female force, capability and aptitude. Lilith is according to my conception feminism utilized correspondingly to femininity. Sure I relate to
their appreciation of the specific lyric as a compliment. 5. Do you see any
parallels between Asatru and Satanism? Both religions/conceptions are spiritual understandings of similar aims and substances: Strength (Thor), Wisdom (Odin), Love and Prosperity (Freya & Frey) etc. etc. Both understandings furthermore seek beyond the present self for further force and capacity, the Asatru practitioner likely from either Thor, Odin, Freya, Hel etc. etc., and the Satanist depending on his/her Satanic inclination, likely from Lucifer, Satan, Beelzebub, Seth etc. etc., or likely from within him or herself. Practitioners of
either understanding consequently seek to expand their potentialities. There within I see similarity, but not necessarily alignment. Unfortunately I am
not familiar with Edered Thorsson, but as part of the Scandinavian music
scene I believe the two conceptions converge within the understandings
of the practitioner, by reasons of the objectives mentioned above, rather
than by nature of the individual conception. Another parallel reason is naturally founded on the situation that Asatru is part of our Scandinavian heritage, and therefore easily adopted and converged as part of any formerly subsiding understanding, whether it is spiritual, philosophical or political. 6. I always perceived the writing and ideas of LaVey as unbelievably superficial. Anyway, what inscription should be carved unto Anton LaVey's tombstone? I do not agree with
your understanding regarding LaVey's writings being entirely and unbelievably
superficial. I believe many people
wish LaVey could have been more excessive in his way of writing, possibly
explaining and evolving his understandings further. This could be just
my individual understanding of the substance of his workings, and that
he actually was incapable of elaborating his ideas further at the point
of creation. What should be carved
on his tombstone? 7. You seem to be
fascinated with values like inner strength, power, integrity etc. Do you
think that the modern world has a lack of these values (I certainly do
so!)? I believe you already
know the answer to this question. Strength, capability
and integrity rather encourage individualism and aptitude, and are consequently
dreaded and desperately sought to be destroyed by the ruling establishment,
as qualities that would engender a folk more inclined to see to the prosperity
of themselves, rather than to the prosperity of the establishment. I do not necessarily
find it difficult to integrate values as strength, capability and integrity
as part of my everyday life. 8. Do you see the
occult just as a philosophy? The occult is not
solely consistent of philosophy, but rather established on various philosophies,
and in addition incorporated alongside an equal magnitude of concrete
practices. I am not at this present time engaged in any direct forms occult practices, but merely in indirect workings as part of Ordo Equilibrio, through the creation and application of our workings. 9. I think I know the answer from your lyrics, but anyway: What are your views on Christianity? Christianity opposes human nature and does not acknowledge the basic principals that govern our existence. It is constructed
in circumference to a desperate wish for human change. Consequently it does not posses the capability of providing the human procession with the basic ideals it requires for its continuance and existential evolution. Christianity is therefore merely a literal and philosophical hypothesis, such as all fictional workings relating to the absolute and invariable betterment of human nature. It incorporates and
utilizes a completely inhumane and existentially crucial practice in absolute
opposition to nature's natural procession of Creation, Destruction and
Renewal, as it disbands the scared force of Destruction. I do neither acknowledge
Jesus as the son of god, or such as a religious martyr. He is merely such
as Christianity, a fictional hypothesis, and the invariable reflection
of others men's wishes that someone should have existed in the above mentioned
form. He is the fictional and partially genuine documentation of others philosophers wishes of a man capable of changing their present cultural, religious, and sociological situation. Should not the bible be observed with an equal measure of skepticism and disbelief such as all other fictional and historical documentations currently are, and formerly have been? I personally observe
the new testament as merely a fictional documentation, seeking to pass
on the glorified myths of a truly less significant character of those
times. No records or documentations
have up until today been found from that very day and age besides the
new testament itself, that points to the existence of a man by the name
of Jesus of Nazarene. Generation after
generation are thankfully loosing their interest in events related to
the Christian establishment, as for instance, attending the communion,
saying grace, not cursing etc. etc. So to say that Christianity
is without impact is to exaggerate. 10. What characters
from the world's history did influence you most? I believe entire
events as part of our historical past and present, along with the decisions
that were and invariably are made, in addition to the complete resolution
of these decicions are inspiring and consequently intriguing to observe. Nevertheless I believe
Aliester Crowley and (the Marquis) Donatien Alphonse Francois de Sade
were interesting and philosophically stimulating individuals as sexual
deviants and philosophers of the flesh and the mind. I furthermore tend
to get inspired by art, photography, film and literature of either horror,
pornography or fetishism. In conclusion, and
especially deserving of praise and emulation is the inventor of the stay-up
stocking. 11. Is there a special
function of ORDO EQUILIBRIO? Self-entertainment
is naturally one function of Ordo Equilibrio as we invariably seek to
create music for the sake of our individual entertainment, objectives
and appreciation. It is always difficult to estimate who is our audience, and thereby hard to say whether we feel linked to them or not, in terms of understanding versus misconception. As perception is
an individually related matter and as our workings seem possible to conceive
differently by reasons of dissimilar aesthetic, philosophical and emotional
expositions and objectives, people tend to relate to certain perspectives
of our workings, and consequently overlook others. 12. The music of
yours is very dark, serious and spiritual. I am absolutely sincere
in what I have to say, but consequently not to become a pastiche of your
own seriousness as all so many bands, I seek to utilize our visual expositions
as an application through which to incorporate sarcasm and irony. I certainly believe our audience and people in general should take us seriously, but nevertheless I believe they should think for themselves, further conceive, and at length contemplate on the content of our emanations. 13. I read some statements
of you that will without any doubt cause some problems when you will perform
in Germany one time again. I am familiar with
the unfortunate incidents of DIJ and Boyd Rice at their last visit to
Germany. I am not an unpolitical
individual, but I am neither inclined to label and categorize my political
understandings. What do I think of
such actions? Burning down tour busses you mean. I think they useless
and consequently lacking purpose. Even though action
has come to be the only way of actually accomplishing any sort of change
today, as conversation and negotiation has lost their signification, by
reason of politic's sole interest in financial gain. I wish for the decline of the European Union, as it is solely an instrument of continuing finacial gain and further totalitarianism. I wish for the liberation of drugs, as everyone are ultimately responsible for themselves and their individual progress and fortune. I furthermore endorse sexual voyeurism along with homosexuality, as I believe each and everyone should act voluntarily and consensualy in accordance to their individual desires. Democracy is but the political deception of letting people believe that they possess power along with the power of change. Democracy is furthermore
a political justification of integral and individual rape. Dictatorship is unfortunately not an option for me, even though history proves that people easily yields to promises of guidance and alleged compassion of superior authority. Individualism is
the only option. And furthermore I believe in the natural selection, and that certain people, beyond the limitations of racial belonging, are truly more capable and genuinely suited for survival than most others. 14. I've heard you
share friendship with Eric form Les Joyaux. I first came in contact
with Eric and Les Joyaux de la Princesse in 1991-92 as he confronted me
during my involvement in Archon Satani, with regards to our possible interest
in participating as part of the late Zyklon B compilation. What spiritual and
ideological sentiments do we share? Nevertheless I believe we furthermore share a mutual interest in symbolical authority, mysticism and capacity, in addition to a mutual interest in the runes, and an aesthetic and symbolical fascination for the Third Reich. 15. What meaning has the subtitle '....Thy Thirteen Shadows of Love'? 'The Thirteen Shadows
of Love' has an ambiguous signification. The thirteen candles symbolically signify the life of Jesus, while the thirteen shadows signify his death. The fire of life extinguished. The entire title
may therefore be interpreted in two opposite ways. 16. Unfortunately
I did not have the chance to see your performance at the CMI Festival
last year. As we did not perform as part of any CMI festival last year, but solely accomplished one performance altogether, supporting Blood Axis at the Cold Meat Industry birthday party in November last year, I believe you would have become disappointed. At present there
is the possibility of two upcoming Ordo Equilibrio performances. Besides this I hope we may have the possibility of performing in Prague following or possibly prior to our visit to Leipzig at Pfingsten, but whether this will occur still remains to be decided. What can you expect? But in conclusion, do not expect anything and you will not be disappointed. 17. Can you explain the large number of headless Jesus'ses in the booklet? There are two possible
reasons for the large number of headless Jesus' as part of the booklet
for 'The Triumph of Light....'. Sigill Part 2, 1998. (...)Lilith is according
to my conception feminism utilized correspondingly to femininity. 1) I HAD MY DOUBTS, AS MANY PEOPLE FROM THE OCCULT SCENE REGARD THE WICCAN FAITH AS "TOO MUCH NEW AGE" OR DESCRIBE THEM AS "CHRISTIAN SOULMATES" WHICH IS A POINTLESS ACCUSATION FROM MY POINT OF VIEW. Despite my sincere
appreciation I likewise believe that particular Wiccans are overtly tending
to incorporate Christianity and New Age as part of their practices. But all of them are
evidently not. (...)Another parallel reason is naturally founded on the situation that Asatru is part of our Scandinavian heritage, and therefore easily adopted and converged as part of any formerly subsiding understanding, whether it is spiritual, philosophical or political. 2) WHICH OF THESE TWO PATHS IS THE ONE YOU CAN IDENTIFY WITH? I can relate to Asatru
by way of spiritual and philosophical means, as I believe it is fundamentally
consistent of sensible and humane conceptions pertaining to mankind in
its entirety in relation to nature. That is the foremost path I can relate to, alongside the collective mythos and the symbolic mysticism incorporated as part of Asatru. (...)What should
be carved on his tombstone? 3)MAYBE I SHOULD
EXPLAIN MYSELF A BIT MORE: I DO NOT THINK LAVEY HAS CREATED MUCH OF WORTH
AS FEW OF "HIS" IDEAS ARE REALLY HIS OWN. I did discern your dislike for Lavey and his overall accomplishments, but I am not inclined to agree, and consequently responded in an upright manner. You are however partially
correct with regards to your above mentioned understandings. A vast extent of
Lavey's philosophical and literal accomplishments are furthermore but
simplifications of Aliester Crowley's conceptions and writings, but in
combination with supplementary sexual expositions and an additional abundance
of Satan. I am inclined to
say that his so-called simplified way of writing has stimulated a variety
of individuals into spiritual and sexual convergence, something that I
personally endorse and conceive as positive. 4) HAVE YOU BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE SWEDISH C.o.S.? There is no systematic
foundation of the Church of Satan in Sweden, only a widespread number
of members without any direct association. (...)So to say that
Christianity is without impact is to exaggerate. 5) WHAT PERSONAL
CONSEQUENCES DO YOU DRAW FROM THIS CONCLUSION? What consequences
do I draw from this? No I am not a church
burner. I discern little
benefit from the ignition of churches. (...)Nero as well
as the Roman Empire were also entertaining in certain aspects besides
the religious. 6) IF YOU WOULD HAVE THE CHANCE TO WITNESS ONE OF THESE "HISTORIC EVENTS", WHICH ONE WOULD THAT BE? In distinction to
the above-mentioned episodes I would foremost enjoy witnessing the events
of the Roman Empire in favor of the others. But in the event of witnessing fashion I would assuredly decide in favor of Germany during the Second World War, as no army until this very day has proved able to reconstitute the aesthetic brilliance of Hugo Boss and the military fashion of the Third Reich. (...)I certainly believe our audience and people in general should take us seriously, but nevertheless I believe they should think for themselves, further conceive, and at length contemplate on the content of our emanations. 7) HOW DO YOU THINK
ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY? Responsibility is
an individual trait, and solely I am responsible for myself, my individual
progress, and the direct consequences of my actions. I do wonder on occasion
with regards to the possible upsurge of misinterpretation and whether
the majority of people who conceive our workings understand what I seek
to assert. (...)And furthermore I believe in the natural selection, and that certain people, beyond the limitations of racial belonging, are truly more capable and genuinely suited for survival than most others. 8) THESE WORDS REMIND
ME OF ARISTOCRACY. I personally conceive
aristocracy as a hierarchy established on the possession of estate, assets,
financial resources and the alleged existence of refined bloodlines. Aristocracy or blue-blood
does not instinctively ascertain the undivided incorporation of aptitude. Aristocracy could
possibly be discerned as elitism provided that you regard material resources
as a trait of aptitude. Money, assets and
bloodlines, neither makes a person apt. (...)What spiritual
and ideological sentiments do we share? Nevertheless I believe we furthermore share a mutual interest in symbolical authority, mysticism and capacity, in addition to a mutual interest in the runes, and an aesthetic and symbolical fascination for the Third Reich. 9)I THINK THIS A
GOOD EXAMPLE FOR WHAT SORT OF STATEMENT MIGHT STIR UP THE EXTREME LEFT... What first has to
be ascertained to reduce the backfire, is that this conception is not
affiliated to any racial motives. The appointed region
along with its surrounding territories is a Muslim desert consistent of
one Jewish oasis. No longer entirely
focused to the Semitic region, the appointed conflict is spreading like
boil of malignant cancer throughout the entire world. That is my sentiment. I am further apprised
that such assertions are delicate and likely to upset the seemingly biased
extreme left wing. (...)The entire title
may therefore be interpreted in two opposite ways. 10) WHAT IS YOUR
PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF LUCIFER? Lucifer is according
to my conception representative of a plenitude of assertions. Lucifer is likewise
representative of man, as each individual status is moreover possible
to discern as part of the human being. Lucifer is representative
of all that, which the contemporary, monotheistic and sociologically accepted
religions seek to subjugate and confine. Lucifer is by virtue of his individual nature, such as the ruler of the carnal and the mundane, balance by way of himself, intrinsic and undivided Equilibrium. Lucifer is light
and enlightenment. That is a selection of my understandings pertaining to Lucifer and what I believe he incorporates. 11) A FINAL MESSAGE TO OUR READERS? Realize yourself. Interview by Thomas Lueckewerth, Sigill Magazine |